Had a great time at Archon this weekend, and thanks again to everyone who was there, especially the folks from STL Webcomics for not only making it a great time, but for my new favourite game. To them, I say Like Water For Chocolate, The Dukes of Hazzard and almost all of the Harry Potter movies.
O-oh, I detect residues of patriarchal prejudice! Maybe I'm a party-pooper, but I never tolerate more than two jokes of this kind from my male friends. Mostly because the girls never do the reverse kind.
They're nice guys, I guess, but maybe they could leave Melanie alone :/
Laura, you are indeed a party pooper. Jokes like these are never aimed or intended for a particular woman, just like "that's what she said" they are non-specific. At least, if they are being said about someone in particular, then that guy is a douchebag. Unlike "that's what she said", though, there's nothing patriarchal about this kind of joking, it is instead being juvenile and coarse and playing on words. It's easy to use 'er because -er is very common in English and there aren't as many words that use 'im. However, here are a couple examples I have used myself...
Tucker Brothers? I barely know 'er brothers!
Hocus Pocus? I barely know us!
Cherubim and serafim? I barely know 'im!
I would encourage anyone to play the game without ever referring to women, it's just not that easy. There may be patriarchal influences behind the ways some people recognize the game, but the game itself is pure.
I am truely not into many "real life" type webcomics. Mostly my favourites WC's are looking for group and other similiar fantasy ones. But PoY has gripped me by the heart and not let go, i've read up to here over the past few weeks and will check it every single day. :D
Actually, I make jokes about gay men all the time and the gay men who are my friends laugh. I make jokes about women too, and Jews and blacks and the Irish, and I've done it all in this comic, but the many gay, female, Jewish, black and/or Irish readers that I have are still reading. The quality of my writing determines whether people are offended, and many things determine the quality of my writing. I'm a white, heterosexual male without religious affiliation, and the day I can't write humourously about people who aren't is the day they stop appearing in my work.
And holy shit, how boring would that be? I have more respect for social minorities than to think they have less a sense of humour about themselves than I do about myself. Confusing friendly ribbing with malicious bigotry is what makes the malicious bigotry harder to kill.
You can make jokes about gay people not because you're gay, but because you know how to tell gay jokes without hurting gay people.
No--It's pretty funny!
Mind you I love cheesy humor, but I am, gasp, a woman and I chuckled at this (and the fart clouds). By doing that in no way do I feel I need to trade in my membership cards to the various leftist movements that are killing America.
Actually, I must say I got quite livid when I read the reactionary, um, reactions. I calmed down, but I still gotta get a bit out.
I can't agree more that Pavlovian responses to "red flag" words and phrases does nothing but hurt the quest for a better world, not only diluting the righteousness behind calling-out serious hate speech, but also making it harder to discern the most insidious bigotry, the subtle kind.
The serpent was subtle. The most effective evil always is.
Also, as a woman who regularly engages in this kind of juvenile (I admit it's juvenile) behaviour with her friends, I myself felt a little bit personally reactionary to the high-horse/bum-hurt responses. My first response would have been very caustic, indeed, had I not stopped for a minute.
Ultimately, for me it's like this, though: as much as I want to defend this with as much passion as I can muster, and get into a big hoopla, I won't.
Why? Because I don't get all bum-hurt every time this comic doesn't reflect my life/opinions. Ultimately this is a story of characters so well-written that they seem real. As long as they are acting in a way that reveals their character, the good the bad and the cheesy, what can I say? This is what good art is, it makes you mad and happy, it makes you see the flaws of your friends and the humanity of your enemies. This is a good thing.
I'll save my anger for bad writing, should it ever appear (anything's possible).
I fear we may not see such verisimilitude as much as we could, do the fear of offense, esp. in media where profit is important. I think that's sad.
It's always interesting, these periodic debates on here. Since I already typed a novel, I may as well say one last thing: I love reading the responses, and even with the above, it wasn't the opinion that bothered me (so much) but the idea of removing words from their context/making some words off-limits for some people is about the most chilling thing this side of double speak.
How could anyone even be offended by a type of joke like this? I don't even understand the offensive part of it. It's aimed "against" women? Or what? ... And even if it was aimed at a particular woman, it still sounds just like junior high school teasing.
Great page, haha, the facial expressions say SO much. XD