One of the worst things about living with roommates is how they always know when you're fighting with your significant other, or conversely when the person who followed you home drunk the night before has no fear of being loud.
I sense an argument between Sam and Lauren coming up.
I think he's right to speak openly about Michelle. Lauren is seeming more and more childish to me as of late. First she gets pissed at Mulligan for not wanting to get into Patrick's business, even though everyone was pissed when he got into Christo and Michelle's business; and now she's getting pissed because Sam is being open with Christo about Michelle when she's not around, even though she does the same thing with Michelle when Christo isn't around. It's like she has the "if I don't like it then it's wrong" mindset.
I'd have to say that I agree with TCGC. Even if people do think this type thing at some point or another, which probably is everyone, they are bound by contract to let it pass.
You cannot say one thing and do another without diluting yourself. It's hypocrisy and as such should be avoided at all costs. If you do not let it pass, and thus show yourself to be unreliable, then you lower your worth as a person.
I think people will find as they get older and pay more attention to the way people do act instead of to the way they should act, that hypocrisy is present in everyone on some level or another. It's not always so obvious, but in my experience, it's always there. Should we guard against it in ourselves? Absolutely we should, but we should also not litter or laugh when someone hurts themselves or use the F word in front of children. Still, trash lines the highways, home video shows draw ratings and schoolyards resound with fuck fuck fuck. We are all flawed and we are none exempt, moral as we pretend to be.
Yes, that is very true, and it's a demonstrable point. For me, whenever I talk to Americans about poutine (fries covered in cheese curd and what they call brown gravy) I get a variety of weird and vaguely vomity faces made at me. They don't SAY no one should eat that, but the attitude is that I'm more like a troll in their eyes for eating it.
I think, though, in a very general sense, that everyone has that in some degree, whether we voice the opinion or not. We think what we do is, if not normal, then at least righteous, and those who don't do it are perhaps not villainous or unjust, at least misguided.
I'm not saying I think that is or is not what Lauren is doing, but if anyone is thinking about that, then they should also pay attention to the fact that a handful of pages ago, Sam and Mulligan were doing this same thing. We all make choices about what we think is our business and what isn't.
A.) I felt like a moron for referring to the almighty Quebecois people as "Canadians" (shame on me).
B.) People in Quebec hate Americans that don't speak French, apparently. Being patronized when you order food isn't a fun experience.
Moral of the story: If you're an American looking to go snowboarding in Canada, or to pick up equipment for less money, go to Ontario.
"I think, though, in a very general sense, that everyone has that in some degree, whether we voice the opinion or not. We think what we do is, if not normal, then at least righteous, and those who don't do it are perhaps not villainous or unjust, at least misguided."
I'd say that it's definitely true with some people, but I keep a neutral attitude about those sorts of things. I don't see others with a difference of opinion as misguided, I simply see it as, as mentioned, a difference of opinion.
I think that there are two sides to that though. It's entirely different when morality is involved. I forget which culture it is exactly (I know it's in the east), but the groom is allowed to set the bride on fire if the dowry provided isn't sufficient. Most people in the west would view that as wrong (myself included), but those who are a part of the aforementioned culture see nothing wrong with it.
As an American, I can unequivocally say that Poutine might be the greatest "Bad For You" food on the planet. And if you react to it with anything short of "Shovel that into my gullet, post haste" you need to have your head examined. Unless you're like lactose intolerant, or hate food, or something......
Poutine is worthy of a pilgrimage to Canada anytime, even in January ;) I wish I could get it proper here.
No one gets out of a close group of inter-dating friends unsullied by hypocrisy. Sometimes it's a matter of pragmatism, though, like, hey, I live with this person, so let's stay out of it, even though you'd rather not. I've held my tongue in the past at the realization that "hey, that person is alone with my shit" :D
Not that I think that's the case here. Michelle is a really close friend, you're more sympathetic to your close friends, it hurts when people point out their flaws, even when you've pointed them out to the person yourself.
Donairs are indeed a brilliancy. They do exist in the US as gyros, but they lack the donair sauce that provides such insane goodness. Suffice it to say that anyone who reads Pictures of You should plan a trip to Pizza Corner in Halifax NS at some point.
Poutine and Donairs
Never had it (seeing as I'm American and all), but damn, that actually sounds really good. I might have to make the trip up through Washington State just to try it. And what is a Donair?
Well, as much as British Columbia may be celebrated for other Canadian wonders, it is not a good place to get either poutine or donair. The best place to find poutine is Quebec, and you can find good poutine just about anywhere there. The best place to find a good donair is in the Atlantic provinces, specifically in Halifax. Rarely are they served in the same place, and even rarer are they both done well in the same place, but at the aforementioned Pizza Corner in Halifax you can find places very near each other that do them fantastically. Also on Pizza Corner, you can probably find a decent selection of that thing that British Columbia does well.
I spent my childhood on the BC coast and BC does do many things well. I never ran into poutine there, however, and my familiarity with French extends only to reading it, dictionary in hand. OTOH, when I have been in Quebec (lovely province) and had people refuse to speak English with me, speaking Spanish with them tends to help.
It is true that there is a contingent of the Quebecois that will refuse to deal with Anglos. The best way to get them to speak English with you is one simple line... "Pardon, je suis un stupid Anglais, je m'excuse."
But, of course, there are other Quebecois who actually don't speak English. The best way I've found to deal with them is to speak French.
Mr. Twist t'es quebecois? Belle surprise!
TCGC: You made contact with a certain type of Quebecer. Please don't stereotype. Most of us welcome english-only speakers. There are simply a minority of butt-hurt francophones who still haven't forgotten the plains of Abraham. In their name, I apologize to you for your rude welcome.
Foolio is correct, though, that those folks are in a big minority, though it makes such a big impression it can feel like everyone. The time that I've spent in Quebec has been brilliant and for the most part the people have been pretty cool. It's not much different than running into a gun-toting right wing twat in the US or a flaming homosexual on Church Street.
My goodness, the discussion has covered a lot of ground on this page.
As a "classical Liberal Republican" you don't fit the right wing twat stereotype, and as a gun-toter, you probably don't fit the Church Street profile either. My point was about cartoonish extremes, the ones where you're always a little surprised when you find out they exist and aren't just a television fiction, and you wonder if they're playing it up a bit.
And just in case you're wondering, every male in my family (except me and a few younger cousins) has owned a gun at some point, and I myself am socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Not to mention that several good friends over the years have been the flamingest of the flame.