3.III.08 Devil's Advocate 6

February 18th, 2011, 12:01 am

Author Comments:

Gibson Twist, February 17th, 2011, 2:28 pm


I have to say, I'm impressed by the rate of visceral reaction people have been having to Patrick lately. I'm curious to see how opinions of Alexander have changed, if at all.

Also, hand is healing nicely, thanks to all the well-wishers.

Today's webcomic spotlight is...hard to explain. Just go look. http://www.storyofthedoor.com/

User Comments:

Skylan2021 (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 12:12 am


Im a little irritated at how quickly Patrick cast aside the idea of him being to harsh just because of his bf. It seemed like he was coming around. Yet I also find myself partly agreeing with him...they seemed pretty quick to give up on Patrick. Like they already jumped to the worst possible conclusion for this turn of events that Patrick has just shut the door on them and so theyre just done trying when its not too late to save the relationship. And I think its exactly what was said. Patrick was the angry cynic while Andy was the happy-go-lucky guy who smiles at them. So on one side you have a pissed off patrick, and on the other you have "SMILIN" Andy and a former abuse victim. Who's side do you think they would take?

fluffy (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 12:56 am


is it weird that the first thing that comes into my head after seeing this is grima wormtongue and king theoden?

Alan (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 1:03 am


Well that depends, Fluffy. Do you picture them kissing?

Drew (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 1:10 am


Wow, now I really understand why people don't like Alexander.

The_Hankerchief, February 18th, 2011, 1:14 am


I've discovered something interesting. Patrick and Melanie are slowly switching places. Alexander, much like Devon McMasters, is employing a "divide and conquer" strategy, where the friends of the abused may get into a quarrel (example: Patrick and others not liking Devon = Andy and others not liking Alexander), and the abuser used this opportunity to draw them away from their friends and isolate them. (If they were truly your friends, they would take YOUR side. Don't worry, I support you) Will Patrick wind up like Melanie? Only time (and more pages) will tell.

Excellent Job, Mr. Twist.

Heh (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 1:15 am


I can't even blame Alexander. He's taking his boyfriend's side. He doesn't know the rest of the guys, and let's not forget, these guys openly dislike him.

It's up to Patrick. Patrick is the one who should be thinking that this is not about Andy, this is about Melanie. He should be thinking about Melanie first.

Uncle Nutsy (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 1:16 am


heh.

it's Devon and Melanie all over again. Devon being Alexander and Patrick being Melanie. But this time, it's worse.

something inside me just screamed and it made me feel sick.

H0lyhandgrenade, February 18th, 2011, 2:33 am


"Come now, I will make you feel better."

This line cracks me up. It sounds so efficient.

"Come now, and we will have sex."

King Anasazi, February 18th, 2011, 2:39 am

Oh the creep !
I bet Alexander speaks perfect english and only pretends that he doesn't so that people pay attention to what he says. As a comic villain, the guy goes on my list and instantly dethrones Dr. Doom !
Your comic is beyond excellent ! A treasure !

yayness (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 3:03 am


Oh dear... you know I would defend Alexander against the word of three gods writing messages in the sky but... ahh... it is hard sometimes.

OK hows this. Most of what Alexander thinks about Patrick he probably got from *Kara*. So he's not gonna have the best opinion of the man. All Alexander sees is "Andy = not good person = going out with Melanie. Patrick = worried about Melanie. Patrick's friends = mad at Patrick" Which makes sense to him, and he's just a little blunt in the way he expresses things. And yes, I can totally hear the foreboding music in the background here.

No one is acting particularly well here. but they are all acting defensibly... just about.

Vegedus (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 3:10 am


Wow, talk about a bad influence.

Master Morality (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 4:00 am


Yep. I really do have no pity for Patrick. Not only is he foolish, he is also blind.

Animelissa, February 18th, 2011, 5:39 am


The_Hankerchief, I was thinking the same thing. I'm not sure of Alexander's intentions (it's hard to tell what's going on in his head at all) but I am seeing some worrying similarities between Melanie's relationship with Devon and Patrick's with Alexander. I have no trouble believing that Patrick would get himself into the same nasty situation without realising it, despite having spotted it a mile off with Melanie, because he's human. It's easy to spot other people's mistakes but not so much our own.

amiko_16, February 18th, 2011, 6:18 am


As much as this page made me want to bounce his boyfriend's head against a brick wall, "his asshole" vs "asshole" made me lol

peanutbutterpancakes, February 18th, 2011, 6:51 am


Ohhhhh... that explains all of Patrick's asshole-ish-ness. He's being told that he's right by Alexander, who, as they have pointed out, is using him. He won't listen to them, so Melanie and Andy (and everyone else) aren't listening to him. I liked it better when Alexander was a cute little foreign student that no one knew...

LazyChocobo, February 18th, 2011, 7:00 am


Alexander looks like a total villian in here, so classy with that wine glass. I can just hear him going: "muhahaha all according to plan!"

Shady, February 18th, 2011, 7:36 am


Alexander used to be so cute ;_;
no longer...


Also, I am so glad you're spotlighted Toilet Genie, I have been a diehard fan of it since the beginning!

Calia (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 7:47 am


Alexander isn't being totally evil here... as others have pointed out, he's taking his boyfriend's side over people he barely even knows, who have never really been anything but rude to him since he and Patrick started dating.

However, I do take issue with the whole "if they were really your friends they'd take your side" line of thought. In a fight between friends, you unfortunately don't have the luxury of just siding with your friend, because they both are... you have to actually side with who you think is right.
Regardless of what Patrick thinks, he hasn't been around. He hasn't seen Mel with the guys. He hasn't seen how happy she is. He needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that she's an adult and can make her own choices.

Vicki (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 9:39 am

LOL
LOL, Fluffy and Alan. Now I have that image stuck in my head. And, while I appreciate that one supports one's lover in a quarrel, Alexander seems less helpful and more isolating. Patrick is having his mind closed and is not objecting.

Skylan2021 (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 11:27 am


I cant get a good read on Alexander to save my life. He seemed okay with crowds back when he would hang out with Melanie, Devon, Nelson, and Kara. So why is it that now that he's with Patrick hes just not even willing to get to know Patrick's friends. I cant tell if Alexander is intentionally trying to keep Patrick to himself or if he just doesnt care enough to actually meet his friends and understand the situation. Especially after he turned his back on Kara at the Halloween concert. What is with this change towards grouping up with people?

Bear (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 1:54 pm


I too see a worrying parallel to Devon and Melanie, but I think this case is worse. Melanie had all of her friends to help her realize what was going on and support her in the end, but all of Patricks are gone.

Klowd (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 2:06 pm


Definitely interesting to see how Melanie and Patrick's positions have swapped. It's creepy.

Well done, Mr. Twist, on how this is playing out.

Helix_luco, February 18th, 2011, 3:50 pm


whoa! me too, fluffy.

it almost makes me wonder if slugger's going to end up hitting Alexander too.

Alexander no not that one (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 6:11 pm

From one Alexander to another
I can't figure out what the heck is going on. Sure, all of you may be correct. Is Alexander devious? perhaps. Does Alexander merely oversimplify everything? Perhaps.

From one Alexander to another, I've got to say: I need a clue, man. Give me a smidgen of a hint as to what the crap you're up to!

Thanks.

xkrazydog, February 18th, 2011, 10:03 pm


what a dick.

[Edit] o wait. now its a pair of dicks. my bad.

TaraTennyo, February 18th, 2011, 10:08 pm

Similiar tastes~
So yea, just a strange coikadink but I follow every signle webcomic you posted so far religiously haha I was so surprised at the mention of Toilet genie, I didn't think it was all too well known.

reidavidson, February 19th, 2011, 2:39 am


bleeeeh. I wanted to give Alexander a chance because I didn't want to judge him on petty actions, but... *thumbs down* TBBBBBT Sorry Alex, you're on the bad list now and I -- Oh look they're kissing. o.o

reidavidson, February 19th, 2011, 2:50 am


In all seriousness, here's the deceptive thing about Alex and here's what's going to get Patrick in the same situation as Melanie. Alex is way more subtle than Devon. You can excuse any one of his actions with a reasonable and logical argument.

He has no money so he let's Patrick pay. Reasonable.

He doesn't speak good English so he doesn't get out much so therefore he and Patrick like to stay in and don't see others much. Reasonable.

Patrick changed his hair and a little bit of his personality for Alexander, but who doesn't do this a little for significant others? Reasonable.

Alexander takes Patrick's side in this fight because he's not seen as much of the other side and he just doesn't see the whole picture. Reasonable.

But you start combining all these things and stuff becomes too strategic. Patrick's face says it all in the second to last panel. A kind of tired relief. "This is easy. This isn't complicated. I can depend on this and don't have to deal with my problems."

By providing him with reinforcement and an escape from critical thinking, Alexander is making Patrick emotionally reliant on him.

This combined by this intricate web of very "reasonable" things that Alexander does that may be questionable keeps Patrick under tighter wraps than Devon EVER had on Melanie.

Why? At least some part of Melanie knew what was happening was wrong? At least when Devon would lose his subtlety she would become angry and attempt to rebel. She knew what was going on on some level.

Patrick's completely and totally clueless and that's what could keep him in a one sided abusive relationship for maybe the rest of his life without ever knowing what's going on.

reidavidson, February 19th, 2011, 2:53 am


THat's my theory anyway until we find out that everything Alexander has ever said was actually the opposite of what he meant cause his English is just that bad.

xasswuwe (Guest), February 19th, 2011, 9:11 am


I really don't think Patrick is off worse than Melanie, especially at this point. Devon was fucking beating her, you guys.

Really, all I can say at this point is Alexander is NOT a people person. He never was in the story, he just kind of floats around, relatively detached to the people he hangs around. Some people are just like that, and they pretty much only care about their significant others and their family. Plus, everyone hated him openly, so he thinks they're douches, not to mention all of the bad things he must have heard about Patrick and the others.

Plus, I don't really know much about the Czechs, but people from some countries are just... goddamn weird. They really grow up with completely different values. Case in point, my entire family is Norwegian- as in, living in Norway. They're generous with their money, but very withdrawn, very distant. They don't talk about their feelings much, either. They also aren't very willing to understand how a person is motivated by their actions. I'm not saying every Scandinavian is like that, but it certainly seems to be ingrained in the culture of Lillehammer. And, drawing from my Human geography and comparative politics knowledge, Russia and its neighboring countries succumbed to an authoritarian bastardization of communism partially because of a culture that emphasized the need for a stable government above all else- including things like freedom and blah blah blah. And as such, one would think that former "Communist" nations would have family structures in that pattern. Alexander might have been raised in a really sexist society, where Patrick's the eldest male relative of Melanie's, and he should have some definite influence over her, and the fact that she fucked his best friend behind his back, knowing he wouldn't approve, Alexander may be looking at this from a certain cultural lens and thinking, "Holy shit, bitch needs to listen to the men in her family.... wait a second, none of these guys are respecting that! Well, they're all fuckwads, anyway... wow, Patrick's hair is really, really awesome".

Or whatever he thinks in his silly little head. I still like him, I just think he's a selfish guy.

Guest, February 19th, 2011, 12:56 pm


Yeah, Alex, a good friend is one who'll stand by you when you do the right thing, and stand in your way when you do the wrong thing, and keep shoving you until you realize you're going the wrong way.

gun21, February 19th, 2011, 5:37 pm


If Andy is to gain back Patrick's trust, he's going to have to out-fuck Alex.

Maritza (Guest), February 19th, 2011, 6:52 pm


Patrick's friends have not cooperated that much lately. First when the Melanie thing happened, Slugger "took down" Devon when Patrick felt it was "his" duty to do so. Then, THEY WON'T SHUT UP about Patrick's new hairdo, which honestly, isn't really THAT bad. Then, THEY WON'T SHUT UP about Patrick's bf, which is a moocher and kind of a jerk, but also apparently keeps Patrick happy.

I hate the comparison between Devon and Alexander. If there's any similarity is the (apparent) isolation effort, but let's remember Patrick's ALWAYS isolated himself. The fact that there's someone now to keep him company is a good thing for Patrick, now a bad one. The mooching... well is Patrick paying for Alexander's company? That's what I would want to know. If Patrick was broke, would Alexander dump him and look for someone else? We don't know the answers.

And Patrick was alone when he told Andy and Peter to get the fuck out, and when he told Melanie he and Andy where through. Alexander wasn't there.

My take on Alexander is... he simply doesn't give a fuck. Does he care about Patrick? That's left to be seen. But he doesn't give a fuck about other people's drama if he's not directly affected. In his mind, Patrick really does not need his friends... possibly because he himself, Alexander, doesn't need friends either.

The_Hankerchief, February 19th, 2011, 8:50 pm


I love how we're all trying to analyze the relationship between Patrick and Alexander and how it's affecting both them and the rest of the group. What, did this suddenly become a literature class? XD

If I was ever going to ramble about the theories of any work of literature, I think this would have to be my pick. If you can make somebody analyze your comic without even realizing it, then you have to be one hell of a writer. Even if it is based on actual events, the writing just feels too real, as if we're talking about our friends instead of characters in a book. Anybody else realize that?

Mr. Twist, you are pretty goddamned amazing.

sIck, February 20th, 2011, 9:26 pm


So it was YOU, foreigner!

Jodie (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 12:00 am


patrick has something stuck up his *ss

excuse the pun

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