3.III.08 Devil's Advocate 7

February 21st, 2011, 12:01 am

Author Comments:

Gibson Twist, February 18th, 2011, 1:37 pm

I don't generally give my pages titles, but if I did, this one would be called Suddenly Sodomy. Believe it or not, I spent a fair amount of time figuring out which of them was the bottom.

Now, on a considerably less gay note...

There are a handful of people I've met through the webcomic series of tubes (I assume they're people and not sentient programs designed to control my space madness) with whom I hope one day to tip a pint. Chris Spain is surely one of them. Chris is the artist of As You're Up, a comic I've been enjoying for years now. It isn't the most regularly updated, but whenever a new comic goes up I don't waste much time checking it out. Go see it at http://ayu.thewebcomic.com/

EDIT: I've deleted one comment already. Please don't make me delete more. Think before you post, homophobic or derogatory comments will be removed.

User Comments:

desire26 (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 12:07 am

Nice, I always saw Patrick as the top. There's something ominous about the last panel....hmmmmm

Skylan2021 (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 12:08 am

I never thought about it Mr. Twist, but you're right that one was a puzzler lol.

Alan (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 12:35 am

The way he answered the door shirtless in the scene where we first find out that they've gotten together feels very "top" to me.

But then again, it's not as though gay relationships always have one guy who's the top an one who's the bottom.

Honin (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 12:49 am

I knew it
Sorry, but the way Patrick always paid for his stuff, listened to what he says, and always sticks up for him... screamed "bottom" to me.

No suprise here, but that last panel just shows a deeper feeling of "using" then you get normally from the situation.

Jodie (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 1:09 am

on a brighter note at least patrick's new hairdo lets us know who's who in the penultimate panel

Onyxlight, February 21st, 2011, 1:15 am

Poor Patrick...I know that's not what you expected to hear but, Poor Patrick. He is one of those people that "have" to be right and his boyfriend is using that to control him. Isolating him from his friends, feeding him what he wants to hear...then following that up with pleasure. That's an intoxicating mix... I can't wait to see what you have planned for these two.

Major Kudos on the page Mr. Twist!! Each panel is nice progression and the last two really speaks volumes on the situation.

I am so glad you answered my question f who was on the bottom because in my mind (because I couldn't decide either) I just decided they switched out...lol

Sorry for being so MIA my PC farted out ^_^

scared person (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 1:32 am

oh mai gat!!!

yayness (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 2:11 am

Heh, I assumed they switched. The way Patrick's moods go when he's feeling uncertain, worried or vulnerable, he's probably up for being taken, but I can definitely see times when he'd prefer to give it a go the other way.

Alexis is probably able to control the situation either way.

LOL at the "No. We should not study. We should be sexing." sounds suspiciously like my end-of-second-year exams...

Maritza (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 2:15 am

I disagree... you can be a "power bottom."

ayre123, February 21st, 2011, 2:25 am

I highly commend your bravery for depicting a gay sex scene, Mr Twist. This just adds to your already mounting credit as an amazing artist and storyteller. Keep up the good work~!

TCGC (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 2:35 am

Nothing like a little bit of gay sex after watching the Flames smoke the Canadiens in the Heritage Classic.

Wait, what?

Last panel looks ominous.

H0lyhandgrenade, February 21st, 2011, 5:34 am

Heheh I like how that line of shading in the background goes wobbly just like tihs mouth.

Animelissa, February 21st, 2011, 8:27 am

I might be forgetting older comics (in which case I should reread them), but I'm not sure I've seen Patrick smile before when it couldn't be described as a smirk. I have to admit, it was quite strange to see.

I don't say this often enough, but I am so drawn in by the characters, the story, the artwork and just how real it all seems. I can't get enough of it.

darkamnios, February 21st, 2011, 8:39 am

I just wonder more and more about Alex.

with that said, I love the squiggly line on the 5th panel :D

gun21, February 21st, 2011, 9:26 am

Maritza's got it all figured out. Patrick isn't the bottom. He's the power bottom. Alex may be on tops but Patrick's the one supplying all the power.

DZ (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 11:30 am

Makes perfect sense to me that Patrick would be catching... considering he seems to be completely submitting to his douchey boyfriend's will in every other way lately (the atrocious haircut, the continual alienation from his friends, etc.)

Alex (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 12:03 pm

Patrick is more alike to his sister than he even realizes. They are both in abusive relationships because one of the key parts of that is being separated from your friends or other connections out the world of your partner. The last panel is very ominous and I'm looking forward to seeing how Patrick fares with being alone.

tahulover96, February 21st, 2011, 4:34 pm

The fifth panel.

I absolutely love how you portray the unseen; wonderful job, Mr. Twist, and keep up the good work.

Foolio (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 4:41 pm

My eyes! Wow, I always found pride in my acceptance of homosexuality, but I gotta say I cringed at those panels. Thank you Mr. Twist, I'm now, more then ever, aware that gay sex happens.

EDIT: (Hmmm, that actually sounds like a good pro-gay T-shirt idea: "Gay happens").

Djorra (Guest), February 21st, 2011, 5:44 pm

I think the way that Patrick is being used in this relationship does insist on a passive role in sexual activity.

Glori, February 21st, 2011, 6:53 pm

Generally, gay couples don't have a strict top and bottom. It's far more flexible and less important than the comic world depicts.

I still despise Patrick's hair.

xkrazydog, February 21st, 2011, 10:26 pm

Here's a homophobic and horribly insulting comment for you:
There's a severe shortage of tits. I demand more. For shame. C'mere Michelle.

Gibson Twist, February 21st, 2011, 10:43 pm

Don't you worry, there's more tits coming...

Anotheryaoifreak, February 22nd, 2011, 5:16 am

This is it... the page I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SINCE I STARTED READING... if only Pat still had long hair it would have been better ;_;

BUT YES! <3<3<3<3 Finally!!

Amonyoshu, February 22nd, 2011, 6:56 am

Hate to fan out, but...
We were given an indication that Patrick would bottom in his past relationships WAAAY early on, during "the talk" with Peter. Peter asked him "does it hurt?" and Patrick responded, "A little, but in a good way." If I've got that dialogue wrong, please forgive. Still, that did kind of foreshadow this, or at least show some breadth to Patrick's sexual experiences and appetites. The which, I still think he switches it up, as many of you have said.

Pointless (Guest), February 22nd, 2011, 8:31 am

Have some sympathy and some taste :3

phllybeef, February 22nd, 2011, 10:23 am

Patrick's "gettin' head" smile in Panel 5 ≈ That disappointed grimace Charlie Brown sometimes gets. Weird parallel.

Zhai, February 22nd, 2011, 10:43 am

Totally love the fifth panel xD

somercet, February 22nd, 2011, 3:01 pm

"Believe it or not, I spent a fair amount of time figuring out which of them was the bottom."

Bwahahaha! I sympathize, it's never quite obvious.

And whoever wrote "Patrick is exploited, therefore he's the bottom is probably (90%) a woman, and just said a lot about her (or him) self.

Alan (Guest), February 22nd, 2011, 11:30 pm

Cals, I'm not sure who'd be the bottom (or if there would be a bottom) when it comes to Wiley and Evan. Heck, I'm not even sure if they know. I get the feeling that Wiley, at least, is a virgin--and there's really only one way you figure these things out.

Jason (Guest), February 23rd, 2011, 3:23 am

A lot of commentors seem to be assuming there's a strict "top" and "bottom" in most gay relationships. And most of the time, that isn't true. Even in relationships where one person USUALLY tops and the other bottoms, there's often some switching around. I assumed such was the case with Patrick, and still do.
However, since we only see the one sexual encounter between these two (so far), it's natural that Mr Twist would need to work out who would "bottom".

However, it IS true that a person- regardless of gender- is more likely to be in a submissive role during sex if they are also submissive within the relationship. And so far- as some people have also said- Patrick does seem to be extremely submissive in regards to Alex's wishes.

Guest (Guest), February 23rd, 2011, 2:14 pm

Not that I'm asking for more sex in this comic, or more naked male bodies - because I'm not, I'm here for the story - but I do find it interesting that you felt the need to show Alex and Patrick having sex in silhouette when that's not what you did for (most memorably) Peter and Kara. I find it interesting that you did that. I don't really midn, like I say, I'm here because I enjoy the stories and the characterisation, but I did wonder why you seemed to feel you had to silhouette this scene.

I don't know.

Please disregard this comment if it's obvious to the reader that I am in fact quite drunk right now.

Gibson Twist, February 23rd, 2011, 2:46 pm

There was a debate as to how to portray this scene, but it was short-lived. You're incorrect about Peter and Kara, I have yet to depict actual sex acts in anything but suggestion. To date, Peter and Kara have never been shown having sex, just getting undressed and having a bath. Christo and Michelle, the first sex in the book, were shown in silhouette as well, and Peter and Sandy Green were shown only in cut shots. Everything else has only been nudity.

I didn't feel like there was anything to be added to the story by showing graphic nudity or sex in this scene, and I think the silhouette says everything it needs to say. The fact that there's gay sex on this page has hijacked a lot of the dialogue, though thankfully not all. Had I opted for something more explicit, I think it would have overwhelmed the story. Besides, I don't feel the need to go one for one on the gay sex to straight sex counter to meet some perceived idea of social justice.

A careful reader would also notice that, with one very small exception, all of the scenes with graphic nudity share something very specific, being a common observer.

TheIdiotDrool, February 23rd, 2011, 5:19 pm

This is a nice amount of gay action coming from a guy, I assume here, who's straight.

Drewster, August 19th, 2012, 9:42 am

I would have thought Patrick the top as well. I wonder if the possible Patrick being abused by his bf story angle pushed you to that him being the bottom?

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