Mr. Hogan seems ignorant about a few things, but the last few pages proves my theory that she did not tell him.
There are a few things that have been bothering me lately. I am going to bring one of them to all of your attention, as it is directly related to this comic.
As Mr Twist stated on the main page, he has roughly 5000 readers to this amazing story, but for some Gods-forsaken-reason, over at TWC.com, this comic is rated at 105...
I vote every day. I know that the incentive has not changed, but that does not matter, because no one votes.
Since April 1st, PoY has received 495 votes. The #1 Comic, Twokinds, has received 37,071 votes.
Do not get me wrong, it is a good comic, but it updates once a week.
Once a week and it is rated number 1.
Are you kidding me?
I think it is about high time I bring back the Daily Voters Update just to show you all how slack we have been.
Mr Twist says that he has the best fans out there. Let us prove to him how right he is.
I had a feeling he already knew. And I'm guessing he can't be mad about it or he would have brought it up to Patrick already. Please may this be a "You have a boyfriend and didn't tell us? Shame on you!" moment.
But my feeling of "Yessss" continues for another page. Hurrah!
I am so overjoyed at what has gone down in the past few pages, this is all turning out better than I could have dared to hope. Of course, that might change somehow, but maybe we'll have an entire chapter where it's all good with Melanie and Patrick!
um.. i'm just gonna quote myself from four days ago.. mainly because I can't believe I nailed it dead on. except for the devon being befuddled part, of course.
"it would be just downright hilarious if patricks' dad just replied 'yeah, so? we've known that for a while now.' and devon just stands there completely befuddled before being physically tossed out of the house."
I had an inkling that he'd know Patrick's gay. Parents do tend to know, even if they do lie to himself. As to the boyfriend living with him... I don't think that there will be a huge blow up, but I do think that an ultimatum will be given, or possibly sage advice. At least, that's what I HOPE happens!!
Actually, considering we didn't really have a huge amount of evidence his father was a bigot, it doesn't really surprise me that his father not only knows he's gay - as stated, he's not stupid - but that he's been keeping a reserved stance on the matter. However, having learned a thing or two about human psychology over the years, he may very well be less then thrilled about this choice, and although he's a wise enough parent to not have forced his opinion on this issue, it is likely this opinion - and, inversely, the fact that they have never openly discussed it - that has caused it to bubble beneath the surface a bit. This would be why, despite his wise choice in not attacking his son on the matter - hey, he might even be a biggot after all, but that doesn't mean he can't put his family first - he would come across as much colder and unforgiving to his son. I do detect that there may be a bit of favoritism toward his beloved daughter - that can happen even without the conflicted feelings toward his son's life choices - but that certainly doesn't sum up the nature of their dynamic at all.
And I have to say, if he's anything like my father, he's going to be a lot less upset about his lifestyle choice, then he is about the fact that he's made a bad decision in allowing a manipulative individual like Alexander to live there with him, and on -his- dime, no less. No matter how you cut it, even if Alex turns out to be less of a douche then he appears, allowing such freeloading tends to be a -bad- idea. Because even an otherwise good person can become complacent and even expect such treatment to continue, even if just subconsciously, if it's allowed to go on. I'd know a thing or two about that - I've allowed a few users into my life over the years, and while all of them were pretty good people with redeeming qualities, I've been in the situation where I've had to pick up the tab in terms of responsibility and finances more then a few times. Hardly fair to me, but when you've got the 'nice guy' streak that I have, you tend to be more likely to succumb to it. It has to become a conscious choice to watchdog situations that could turn that way, to stop yourself from allowing it again, squashing the feeling that you're being a jerk and realizing you're just being responsible in -preventing- it from becoming that way. And, to the long point I've slowly weaved towards, I was told more then a few times by my own father at the time that I need to beware such situations and avoid letting people use me like that. I was stupid, especially in allowing it to reoccur, but despite the knowledge it happened just the same. Why? Well, sometimes even when you've been warned about something, there's something in your psychology that just requires you learn the hard way. Maybe it's just necessary, the only way to break the patterns that lead to that mistake. Because sometimes, no matter how many times you tell your kid to stay away from the stove, they won't understand and take it seriously until they've been burned. A shitty fact of human nature, I guess, but there you go.
Looking back on it now, it's pretty amazing, over this chapter, just how predisposed we've been to think the worst of Patrick's father, both from mere appearance, early actions taken out of context, and mere rumor from word of mouth by even Patrick himself. It should be sobering to realize just how predisposed we can be to believe the worst of someone from such simple, trifling matters, when the flashing neon truth is we don't know the first thing about the man. We hadn't even -seen- his shoes, or asked him about them, much less walked a mile in them, and we already believed he was an awful person. And I'd be the first to admit that from Patrick's dread of his father, even I thought he'd turn out to be a raging bigot that would behave rashly toward his son for no better reason then that. Hey, it's certainly the stereotype. But it makes it no less unfair. I should know a bit better myself, too. One of my closest friends, now, is someone that I once hated, purely because someone I loved hated their guts. It wasn't until later that I realized I'd never even really spoken to them, much less tried to understand them. Ironically, when my relationship ended poorly, it was they who helped me keep my sanity together, and now, much later, they've even gone on to patch things up between each other and have many great discussions that have done much to help each other out.
It's amazing the way things things work out. As the old saying goes, you can't see the forest for the trees; but I guess we wouldn't be human if we could so easily step outside ourselves, set aside our predilections, and look at the world objectively. The ability to step outside yourself and understand without letting your own baggage get in the way is probably one of the single greatest abilities any man could ever have. And one so very very few possess. That's my thoughts on this all, at least. Take what you will of my philosophical wax.
"I know you're gay, what do you take me for?" If ya remember, Ed said that he thinks his dad knows he's gay but throws money at him so he dosen't have to think about it... or something like that. Dam.. I need to reread...
The only thing that bothers me about this arc is that while it was nice to see Melanie's dad act like a dad -- Melanie's mom has been mostly silent and worried-faced. A mother is a fierce, fierce creature when you threaten her children, and all she's done so far is make sad eyes and offer Melanie cider. Can you please give Melanie's mom a little character development too? Your work is usually so detailed and attentive to the personalities of all characters, that this one omission stands out.
"What do you take me for?" nice. I am liking how the picture of Patrick's dad is being deconstructed now that we actually see him.
There are already flaws apparent in him, and I'm sure there's more to come, but he's not a Troll waiting under a bridge.
I think one of the things that is happening, at least with me, is knowing that things are going to fall apart somewhere and looking at each episode to see if this is the one. So far, the parents are looking better than I had hoped. But we still don't know how they will feel about Mel and Andy or Patrick and Alexander.
Hahahaha!! Ok, I was surprised by that twist, Twist. Just one more reason to love your work.
@Kotire- For a long time, there has not been a voting incentive on the page, at least, not on my computer. Maybe that is why voting is down?
I'm actually not that surprised that Patrick's dad already knew. I'm more curious to find out HOW he knew. Patrick doesnt really have any huge red flags that say homosexual about him, and Patrick has been keeping it secret. Surely there's gotta be more to this than "I'm your father, I just know." Especially since they don't seem that close to begin with, so I admit I'm curious about how he knew.
Dad really surprised me, and I'm glad. I really do want him to knock some sense into Patrick about Alexander or at least say something profound that makes Patrick think. as for voting, I have been trying to but it won't let me.
Also I never commented on this much on anything. Its just love!
Maybe the mother is portrayed that way for a reason. Throughout the entire story, Mr. Twist has always had a reason for his characters's actions and habits. If I remember correctly, the mother isn't their actual mother, at least from word of mouth from Patric. Even the eye color, hers being blue while the other three are a distinguishable green, shows that she probably isn't blood related.
Given that, when she came into the family, she might not have as strong of a tie as a usual mother would have with her children. Or it could even be the fact that there is a sliver of resentment from Melanie and Patrick, sub-conscious on Mel's part, and blatant on Patrick's part, that kept the mother figure just distant enough to where she couldn't create such deep emotional ties.
There could also be so much more going on behind the scenes for the mother that is withdrawing her. In any case, her actions are worrying, and foreboding; a usual key element in Mr. Twist's storytelling that will rise either sooner or later, and is important to keep in the back of the mind.
It probably isn't the issue of character growth, but more of the issue of things to come, I suspect. Merely a hunch though.
In relative news, I've been a fan of yours for a while, even though I rarely comment (This is my second comment ever I do believe.) and I like the change of events. It almost seems to have wrapped up too neatly so far. Not that I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth, but I almost want to go "What's the catch?".
Love the father's response, and I'm starting to like the character; makes me giggle with satisfaction that he isn't an obligatory ass like almost everyone was suspecting.
"Ever since you walked in the door today with that douchebag haircut, son."
Putting aside the jokes and getting into the Mom-character conversation, I think she's holding true to character. She's changed since we first saw her last Christmas--she looks wearier and less glossy. It's present even before shit with Devon goes down, though to a lesser degree. Maybe it's Melanie's absence in their home that's wearing her down, or maybe Mr. Hogan changes trophy wives every seven years and she knows her time's almost up, but I think it's a perfectly natural reaction for her way of protecting Melanie to be through hugs and cider, especially when there's violence in the air, and when her husband and Patrick are already taking care of Devon.
Alright. So immediately after being pleasantly surprised by this page, I decided I wanted to go back and re-examine the first time we're introduced to Mr. Hogan with a different perspective.
I found that, similar to what Maximum Verneir stated previously on this page, Mr. Hogan's comments and actions DO seem a bit rough around the edges... But back then when we were predisposed to him being a douchebag in everybody's mind, his actions came off as cold and heartless.
I recommend you do the same and form your own opinions :3
Everyone seems to keep forgetting...
...that Pat being gay and living with alexander werent the only things dipshit outed about him... While Mr. Hogan seems to be ok with (or at least tolerant/aware of) Patrick being gay, he could blow up about alexander OR the fact that he is a pothead...
There's an angle to this I'm surprised no one has talked about yet. Maybe Mr. Hogan was just waiting for his son to be comfortable enough to tell him in person. Having a few gay friends, I understand that your parents are, often, the hardest people to come out too, and to just be outed can be devastating. Maybe he knew that about his son, and IS an understanding father.
On the note of Alexander... Yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with the boyfriend, but might have something to do with the boyfriend living on his dime. I don't think i could accept that either.