3.IV.04 Headed For Bottom 7

September 23rd, 2011, 12:01 am

Author Comments:

Gibson Twist, September 22nd, 2011, 11:07 am


Hands up, everyone who's been there.

There's a really sharp article by Laura Hudson up on Comics Alliance about the depiction of women in superhero comics. Really good read, everyone should take a gander. http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

Don't forget to vote for us on TWC! This time, I guess it's not so much ALT dialogue as it is just, um, dialogue. http://topwebcomics.com/vote/8932/default.aspx

User Comments:

MacSimon, September 23rd, 2011, 12:11 am


*raises hand*

reverendjack, September 23rd, 2011, 12:12 am


is it just me, or is Lauren getting cuter?
i know i'm not alone in thinking this...

also, yeah - this was me more times than i'll admit. minus the gay club.

SoupCandy, September 23rd, 2011, 12:25 am


I didn't want to leave a comment on that article because I don't want to get an AOL account.

I do, however, agree with her. I can't respect a comic that has characters who are promiscuous for no reason. I'm completely alright with sexual liberation, but in most comics, writers and artists depict all super heroines as empty flat characters, not intellectual and/or depthy (and if they decide to, they go Frank Miller and throw rape and prostitution around, which he doesn't seem to understand at all, and it's disgusting). It's incredibly common and incredibly uncreative. There are few exceptions.

It's been going on for fifty years, getting steadily worse each year. :/ Sadly, this isn't as bad as it'll become... I just boycott the comics and artists that portray that crap.

Gibson Twist, September 23rd, 2011, 1:35 am


@reverendjack: No, she is getting cuter, proportional to the improvement of my art.

@SoupCandy: Full disclosure, after reading the article, I did send an email to Lauren Hudson (click her name in the byline, there's an email link) asking her to showcase more comics that provide a gender-inclusive character list. I'd encourage anyone else to do the same, if only to show that there is an audience for that kind of coverage.

I'll also ask that anyone who does send her an email be polite.

Ren (Guest), September 23rd, 2011, 1:58 am


Patrick certainly looks like he's on his way to forgetting why he's bumbed out.

Good for him, though I'll feel bad for him later when he gets his hangover, hahaha.

And that comment from SoupCandy... That's deep... really deep. And me more and more curious because I'm an reader of many comics, and an amateur artist who likes to see depth in a character, because like people, we've got something interesting to share. And how they represent those depths and make responses according to the situation can... what's a good way to put it...

Oh yeah. "A painting could be worth a thousand words." ...That's the right phrase, right?

yayness (Guest), September 23rd, 2011, 2:19 am


awwww Pat. Never been there while dancing, but have been sort-of there!

The_Hankerchief, September 23rd, 2011, 2:56 am


(raises hand, along with the beer it is holding)

I myself have never really been into superhero comics, not specifically because of that, but they just don't strike a chord with me. All the heroes are chiseled out like rocks and look like they can suplex a Mack truck over the Grand Canyon, and the heroines, like the article states, live for nothing but justice and double penetration. (Okay, not quite to the Hal Extreme, but you get the idea.) I feel it sets a bad precedent for society. If you're not one of those strong, Brian Urlacher-esque men who can punch boulders into gravel and cut down trees with nothing but sheer force of will and a rusty butter knife, you're essentially a loser. And if a girl's got an IQ above 100 and has a cup size smaller than DD, nobody's gonna pay her any mind. I don't like the precedent this is setting, period. And it's not just limited to comics. Movies, TV shows, books, celebrities, you name it.

Shinami (Guest), September 23rd, 2011, 7:30 am


I think The_Hankerchief said it quite well.

Keep in mind this only my PERSONAL OPINION but if there's no depth to a story or the characters, then I won't waste my time reading, watching, or playing something.

That is why I read webcomics like Pictures of You, Misfile, When She Was Bad, and Between Failures. In my eyes, they have depth of character AND story.

Antitime, September 23rd, 2011, 9:33 am


I agree with Lauren getting cuter as time goes on. She was very 'girl next door' at the begining, and now she's adorable.

As for the superhero thing...eh, I like a little batman every once in a while, but for the most part, fuck that noise.

Vegedus (Guest), September 23rd, 2011, 9:50 am


Definitely been there. Drinking, dancing, more drinking, more dancing, MORE DRINKING.

It's the classic recipe for a good, possibly disastrous, night.

Erin (Guest), September 23rd, 2011, 3:28 pm


Why yes, I have attempted to master The Crane (ie panel 5) at clubs while drunk. And yet, somehow... did not get hit on. ;)

Remnants of Nana, September 23rd, 2011, 8:36 pm


I'm pretty sure the alternate dialogue is the best thing ever. Loved this page! <333

xkrazydog, September 23rd, 2011, 9:03 pm


Vomit vomit vomit

Djer (Guest), September 24th, 2011, 1:12 am


I never have nor ever will drink so much that I black out. I don't see the point. I'd rather remember every awesome moment and every mistake the next day.

Gibson Twist, September 24th, 2011, 2:43 am


@Djer: Djer, you know there isn't a number of drinks that makes you black out, right? There's not a warning bell or anything, and in fact it's a retroactive kind of thing. A whole lot of really innocuous factors contribute to blacking out. I mean, blackouts are just holes in your memory.

If you drink enough to get drunk, you drink enough to black out. The only way to prevent them is not to get drunk.

Besides that, having experienced a good share of blackouts, I can tell you that hearing the stories of what you don't remember doing can be just as exhilarating as remembering them, and almost always stand out more.

No one can call themselves a proper drunk without a blackout story or two.

rainbowroach, September 24th, 2011, 10:34 am

Ha!
I spy a derp face in that last panel... xD

Gibson Twist, September 24th, 2011, 3:20 pm


@rainbowroach: Not by accident.

Jason (Guest), September 25th, 2011, 6:46 am


Big thanks for posting that article, Twist. It's a good read and hopefully, each article of it's kind will send ripples which may have an impact. Who knows.
There are people out there who claim the genders are equal; but those people are talking out of their asses. Stuff like the comics mentioned in the article are really just the tip of the iceberg. A lot of media throws this sexist crap out there, and then dress it up as "sexual liberation". No, it's not "sexual liberation". It's fetish-fuel for the heterosexual men who are too stupid (or blind, or willingly ignorant) to see how bad it is and how much it demeans women. And of course there are those who LIKE the fact that it demeans women, making the whole thing less likely to change.

...That was a little bit rambly, but I wanted to share my thoughts- and my thanks- a little. There's a reason I tend to avoid the mainstream comic industry in favour of webcomics.

Gibson Twist, September 25th, 2011, 7:04 am


@Jason: Jason, I think you and I would get on pretty well. Cheers, mate.

The_Hankerchief, September 26th, 2011, 12:23 am


@Jason: Get this man a cold frosty beer, stat!

Djer (Guest), September 26th, 2011, 4:26 am


@Gibson Twist: Don't get me wrong, I've had a couple nights where I know that I should not be driving/texting/doing much of anything that involves motor control. I'm just careful to always drink water between alcomahols, and I've never had holes in my memory as a result. Perhaps I wasn't as drunk as I felt (though on one occasion I'd had 10 drinks in a 1-hour period, nearly half of them shots), but then again, everyone's different.

Gibson Twist, September 26th, 2011, 8:38 am


@Djer: Sure, but I'm saying it's happenstance that you haven't blacked out, it's not by design or plan, because that's not something you control if you drink enough to get drunk.

Amber Mint, June 1st, 2012, 8:58 am


That was more than a decent article. Thanks for sharing it with us, I totally agree with this author.

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