Fuck, Wiley, tell us how you really feel. We knew something like this was coming, but not... well, THIS. This is jarring, after that apparently happy scene in the club. I suspect we're about to get the details of Wiley's suicide. :(
@Seth: I don't think Wiley did commit suicide. If you recall back to the prologue of the entire series, you'll note Peter is wondering where everyone is. Wiley is one of the names he mentions; this should mean that Wiley is still alive.
Nobody saw this coming?
I find it funny how in an early chapter, Slugger says that something really bad is going to happen to Wiley, yet no-one seems to remember that. I knew this was coming. I just don't know what exactly will happen and can only expect the worst.
@HastyPudding: I found the page you mentioned, and while Peter does say "Where's Wiley?", he's being maudlin, and I think the page still makes sense even if Wiley's dead. Now, I'm sure there's a reason why I've been watching Wiley for signs of his impending suicide for the past few months (no doubt the same page Vee mentioned), but I've given up trying to find it again. In any event, given all this pent-up negativity, I still think suicide is a very real possibility here.
@Dr. Guy: First of, it fell out of his bag and flipped open on that page, so Peter is not just nosy. Yes, Peter should have just shut it and put it back, but I can imagine if his eyes happened to fall upon any of the words on that page, he'd not be able to just shut it and put it back.
And second, why would Peter go hulk? He's not Mulligan, who would certainly have a go at Wiley, verbally or/and physically. But Peter has only ever raised his fists on others, never on his friends. And this is not a situation where he'd blow his top, though he's certainly going to be disturbed by his find.
I knew there'd be some heavy shit in there, just not THAT heavy! *low whistle*
So, this is a hate journal, then. Gotcha. Makes sense, really, with the difficult past Wiley's had and his generally meek/passive behaviour. Having this kind of outlet probably helps him level himself out, through private venting.
That said, I do remember the very beginning of this comic and the serious suicide vibe I got from what Peter was saying. He didn't just tack Wiley's name on a list of people he was missing. There was a pause there. A very loaded one.
I get what he says about Andy being an attention whore. Let's face it, he is. He's the one that introduces the band and wraps up shows, something the singer usually does. 'Course, Wiley's a shy guy, so I dunno if he could even step up if it was all on him to work the crowd.
Anyhoo, here's hoping Peter sees this for what it is: a rage outlet. A place where Wiley can magnify and purge his feelings so they're out of him, instead of stewing deep inside his heart. That said, we all know how Peter regularly takes stuff at the first level, so...
@Face: Honestly, I think most people were talking about Prologue, page 9 where Peter asks "Where's Wiley?" I'd actually forgotten about the line you're talking about. Suddenly on board with the suicide idea though.
This is both hilarious and tragic, hilarious only because of the irony. Im not a bad person lol. Its just you expect Wiley to be one of the more tolerant people of the group. I mean hes a tiny gay kid who was persecuted by his family and who knows how many other people. You'd think he would be more accepting of others, especially people who socialize and be friends with him, but damn if he isnt just filled with hate. Life lessons ya know, sometimes we just dont take enough notes, eh Wiley?
Well one thing we know for sure is that our main man Peter isnt exactly one who tends to overreact in very visible ways, so Im sure he will keep this in perspective and on the down low (SARCASM!!!!).
knew it was somethin...
i am just thrown back to the first chapter...."why wiley did what he did..."
i thought suicide.....but now murder is a possibility.....maybe thats why only peter and andy were the only ones of the crew at the uppity party....
And so that happened.
@skylan2021 I don't think that any of the things you just named are more likely to make a person nicer, all those reasons are also reasons for anger and bitterness.
The idea that victimized people only react by become passive saints has always bugged me.
Also I understand what he means about Mulligan I think, sometimes people who scare you by reminding you of being hurt before make you jumpy. I could see myself being rubbed the wrong way by Mulligan's bad moods, glaring, and seemingly endless crankiness.
As someone who has had it rough at times herself and has struggled with bitterness and anger, I don't think he hates any of them really.
I think he thinks they had it easier then he did and therefor they owe him something.
Also people have this tendency to project onto blank spaces, by rarely speaking for himself Wiley let the others use him as a blank page.
For example I know some people who don't say much, won't get close to anyone or let them in and I have seen first hand other people inventing a persona for someone who keeps themselves a blank. It's kind of scary.
In short Wiley just another messed up person in a messed up world (meaning their world and ours.) I hope no one holds it against him too much.
And one more thing.
I have known the sunniest, sweetest, kindest people to write the darkest, bloodiest, most fucked up and or necrotic fiction ever, it's dark so they don't have to be. It is possible that this dairy is the same kind of thing.
Someone had already called it earlier in the tour (Mulligan I think) when Patrick wanted to peek in the diary... he said he didn't want any part of what was in it.
But wow. Oh wow who would have thought sweet little Riley had all this shit going on in his head... me thinks he might have a screw or two loss. My guess would be major depressive and dissociative identity disorder... with a splash of sociopathic tendencies
@BloodyGem: I have known the sunniest, sweetest, kindest people to write the darkest, bloodiest, most fucked up and or necrotic fiction ever, it's dark so they don't have to be. It is possible that this dairy is the same kind of thing.
@Onyxlight: Not all sociopaths are dangers to others, although it is much easier for them to be such either through accident or intent. Psychopaths, on the other hand, are more likely than not to be harmful in one way or another during the course of their lifetimes simply due to their pathology and lowered or absent impulse control.
Diary entries like these don't necessarily mean anything other than providing a good indication that the author (Wiley in this case) has a fair amount of negativity built up.
I first noticed this because I am into post-core punk it's rather dark subsection of punk, more prone to exploring depression, and the expression of feeling trapped by the world then the 'normal' anger and 'fuck all of you' ideals people often think of when they think of punk.
However whenever I meet the bands themselves they are always without fail some of the nicest and most well adjusted people I have ever met.
Last commet from me I swear
There is an old saying 'Peer not into keyholes lest ye be vexed' I think that works here quite nicely. Respecting someone's privacy is sometimes more for our peace of mind then the peace of the person whom we would be intruding on.
I think Peter should act like someone who walked on the parents having sex because he did not knock, never mention it again (expect to his shrink) and learn a lesson: locked doors protect you too.
Peer not in keyholes lest ye be vexed' I love that expression.
I was leaning toward Peter keeping his Pie Hole shut myself. Knocking it out of Wiley's bag was an accident... picking it up and reading the page it was open to was merely him giving into curiosity. I believe if it had been talking about rainbows and kittens or how cute his BF's butt was Peter would have shut it instantly. The pure shock of what was written grabbed him... I think it would have grabbed anyone.
Gibson, I think it would be really cool if you were to release a document or another comic page or something with more of Wiley's angry ranting. This is really interesting stuff, I wanna see what other opinions he has about people!
@BloodyGem: I wasnt trying to imply that victimized people are saints, especially when we are all victims of SOMETHING in our lives. Sometimes it makes us bitter, sometimes it helps us grow through empathy. Empathy in the way that you can identify with other people and find understanding with others. I honestly thought Wiley was a more empathetic person from all the scenes we've had with him. I just thought it was an interesting development for Wiley the character. You cant argue that it wasnt hidden lol. However I was by no means stereotyping by discussing the behavioral habits of one fictional character.
@BloodyGem: Would I have laughed it off, if it had been Patrick or Mulligan's writing? No. Definitely not. The level of hatred expressed in these pages is not a laughing matter, no matter who it came from. He writes about killing them, he hopes that Andy will have a scarring accident. I'd be very, very concerned about -anyone- writing stuff like that.
@Skylan2021: Wiley has not the personality to grow from his bad experiences, he can't deal with a lot of things in the comic and he always seemed to me emotionally scarred by his parents' rejection. Why should he have become more empathic towards other people, when empathy was not shown him by his parents? It's hard to shake one's upbringing, and suppressed rage can easily turn into hate.
@Lleyn: Dont get me wrong I can totally see how it happened, its just we've always been working off of so little information. All we have to go off of when it comes to characters is what was told to us until something big like this happens. He's a shy kid, but he had friends, he socialized, he seemed to be happy being with Michelle as a roommate, he has a boyfriend. I guess its just pathetic that hes lashing out at other people because he didnt get his parents approval even when he had the approval of others. Im not saying I cant see how this happened, Im not saying I expected more from Wiley, Im just saying that no hints were dropped that he had this kind of darkness. Its understandable, and now that we know it its easy to put the pieces together, but up until this point there was no evidence that he had these kind of feelings. I have zero expectations from these characters, so all I know is what is told to us, and this was a pretty big turn from what we were going off of before.
@Skylan2021: I beg to differ on the charge that he showed no warning signs of this. Considering what happened to him growing up, and his presumed meekness in general, I'm actually surprised he hasn't shown signs of this sooner. It's a general trait of people on bottom: those without power or control of the goings on in their lives wish to have it. Not to say Wiley is lesser person than anyone else in the group, but think about it: everyone refers to him as "Little Brother". They mean it in a complimentary manner, mind you, but to Wiley, as someone who has (or may have) been picked on for so long because of his meekness, or orientation, or just in general, don't you think he may be convinced there's an underlying meaning behind his nickname; that the others might view him as subordinate, with no say or stake in the goings on? Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but it would appear to be that he is convinced of it, and fosters animosity toward everyone else as a result.
(I'm hoping to God I've expressed that thought like I intended to and that everyone understands what I'm poking at. If not, I'll try again to clarify later.
@The_Hankerchief: Again, this keeps happening. Everyone is applying their thoughts retroactively. Yes...we can all understand how this happened. But you say his behavior being meek and shy was a warning sign. It wasnt. That would be like saying all meek and shy people are secretly full of hate or more prone to anger, which is false. You can certainly use this and many other incidents to JUSTIFY his feelings (now that we know), but you couldnt see this coming at any point before hand because he never really expressed himself. And you can say "oh well thats because..." SURE! FINE! MAYBE! But he has that diary because he never expressed himself and thats why we didnt find out about his feelings until this moment. Saying anything we've seen so far leading up to this point was indicative of this is either stereotyping or conjecture. Saying okay I see how this happened is understandable, but to say this happened "because"...would be wildly inaccurate. We wont know until we hear it from Wiley because he clearly hasnt been expressing himself to characters (or the audience).
@towel: Calm down man. Willy is'nt evil, he's simply using his journal to vent. We all need an outlet after all.
As for the "only 3 gay men", homosexual population is about what, 1 in 10? I don't think there have been a total of 30 recuring characters in this comic whose sexual preferences have been mentioned. So we're still pretty much over statisticaly speaking anyways.
When I first read this page, I thought that Wiley must have some serious issues psychologically. Lol, coming back though, I don't think that's the problem.
I'm just wondering where/how he managed to form such a negative opinion of Andy.
Maybe he has no respect for him because he hates Andy's kind of promiscuous behavior.
Honestly, I think Wiley just doesn't know Andy or Patrick that well. Or else he'd know Andy isn't such a bad guy and that Patrick would NEVER sleep with Andy. Especially not while he's dating Melanie, sheesh.
I don't blame Wiley for his assessment of Mulligan though. That guy is bad news imo.
Overall, Wiley seems pretty insecure around the group. Hopefully this will be handled well and he'll get the help he needs.