I suddenly begin to feel for him but then...it's just the way people like that work. They garner up sympathy and be just the right person they want you to be and then stab others in the back to get what they want. That just makes me hate him even more.
He's a normal guy who fell for a girl he couldn't have. He's not a villain, people just want to believe he is because we like the group so much. This is the kind of situation anyone could find themselves in- giving Sam the cold shoulder is hardly indicative of him being any more of a jerk than most people.
I think Rick and Lauren should get together. At least then they'll have someone they deserve. Like the readers before me, I'll say it again. Lauren led Sam along, knowing full well that Rick had feelings for her. How is she going to get mad at Sam for getting upset when he was totally justified? Rick obviously was blowing him off because accepting that Lauren had a boyfriend meant immediately having to give up unless he was going to willingly break up a relationship to do it.
I really think Lauren is really upset with Sam because they had this conversation. She told him, it didn't matter if Rick had feelings for her, because she didn't return them. And then asked Sam not to put her in the middle of a fight. Which he agreed too. But then did it anyway, because Christo's view of Rick got under his skin. I really do hope we get to see Christo get back on his feet, because what I've been seeing from him, he has lost his way a bit. It seems he just doesn't care anymore, or just too much and really tries to hide it.
There are no villains here, just people who should have communicated better.
I agree with Sandra but at the same type there is a little bit of a double standard issue here. Sam should not have hit Rick and he should have trusted Lauren more, and in fact he did at first but, Rick showed no signs of changing the way he was acting. Rick is putting on a very good front as a good person, and maybe he is, but he really did disrespect Sam and Lauren's relationship by the way he initially treated Sam. Whether he did it intentionally due to some well thought out plan or unintentionally because he really does enjoy being friends with Lauren but had no interest in getting to know Sam, his treatment of Sam was very rude, and Lauren was being just as petty as Sam ended up acting by allowing her new friend to do such a thing. She claims she had full control of the situation so she is very much at fault for pushing Sam to his breaking point by allowing things to continue as they were. I am sure the same way she expected Sam to trust her in handling Rick if he had any feelings for her, Sam trusted initially trusted Lauren to keep her new friend respectful of their relationship. Sam himself tried to keep Christo out of their business at first(unless I am remembering wrong). This was a terrible show of communication on both ends because Sam failed to articulate his feelings to Lauren in time, and Lauren failed to keep her end of the communication when she ignored the fact that was brought up at least once that Rick was being rude to Sam, letting her anger narrow her focus on the implication she was letting another man woo her and thanks to Christo, the idea that she was an item that belonged to Sam. The tests in relationships that show their worth come naturally. When one or both parties begin to make tests themselves for the other, the relationship is in danger, and starting up communication again is critical to save it (which I am hoping they managed to do since things ended up the way they did as we saw in the prologue). Now as for whether or not there are any villains in this situation, I do not see any as long as Ricks intentions were good for the most part. Christo is in a bad place right now I don't think he's purposely trying to cause problems, Sam and Lauren are just having serious problems communicating properly with out putting their pride first. If Rick really is playing the snake, either to slowly work his way in to take Lauren for himself, or for any other twisted reason, he would definitely be the villain. I am thoroughly enjoying reading this story because every moment is believeable, the emotion raw and relatable, making it like watching real lives unfold.
I think because we all got burned so bad with Alexander and Devon we're all just super wary of any newcomers. :p
Rick did behave like a bit of a douche. I have to say that. But then I think Mulligan is a complete bastard so there you go :p And Rick does get massive kudos for respecting friendship, rather than going the whole "I fancied you and you didn't reciprocate OMG YOU ARE A BITCH FRIENDZONE" route.
It is totally possible to be friends with someone without "leading them on". Nobody should be expected to either a) fall in love on command or b) give up on a friendship because of the unspoken potential feelings of someone else.
Rick is responsible for his feelings, not Lauren. And by the sounds of it, he's been pretty mature about it.
Damnit, Mr. Twist, your comment on the page has made me all insecure. I didn't even know there was something to be figured out except what there was on the page, and now I'm asking myself if I'm not getting it - the question being, what is "it"?
At any rate, I will remain wary of Rick until he has made a true effort to make amends for the situation he helped create. And with effort, I mean him trying to actually talk to Sam, and not just talk to Lauren. 'Cause it sure looks like as if he's still testing the water.
@yayness: I agree that Rick is showing some maturity here. My opinion of him has varied throughout the book and it continues to do so.
Some say it's all a ploy to move in on Lauren. I don't really see it that way. However, the disrespect of Sam by Rick before the former got all punchy still hasn't been addressed by Lauren or Rick in this little heart-to-heart. Yeah, he mentioned he should've tried harder, but then they talk about Christo. Sure, let's talk about the guy who's not Lauren's boyfriend and who didn't just clock you not 10 minutes ago. I mean, what's to talk about, anyway? Dude doesn't even really hit that hard, right? *sigh*
As for the reaction people have at being 'zomg friendzoned!', I agree that getting pissy about it is neither mature nor constructive. However, I will say that genuine disappointment is perfectly normal. After all, if someone falls for someone else and their feeling are unrequited, being sad about it is a natural reaction. I remember falling hard for a girl in college but she didn't feel the same way, which isn't anyone's fault. She said we could still be friends, but I honestly could not put my feelings aside. Seeing her brought them up, so I opted to go my separate way. Basically, I didn't consider it being 'friendzoned' so much as not having my feelings reciprocated. Can't blame her for that. Furthermore, staying somebody's 'friend' while feeling miserable due to not having more seems like a massive waste of time to me. Friendship should be a thing in itself, not a step-ladder or a waiting room.
I also agree that it is possible to be someone's friend without leading them on. I never got the feeling Lauren was leading Rick on in any way. She made her feelings about Sam clear, despite Rick's put-downs. Was she naive in not seeing Rick's interest initially? Maybe, but that's not really the issue here, is it? It's not like everyone has instant awareness of everyone else's motives or feelings the second they meet them, right? That said, was she naive in her relative unawareness of Rick's treatment of Sam? I think so, and I believe that this is partly what fueled Sam's ire. It allowed Christo's views to dig into Sam and exacerbated whatever insecurities he may have had. However, said insecurities were Sam's alone, not Lauren's. Sam could've just started up a convo with Rick at the bar to see if they could engage normally, as people, not just as Lauren's boyfriend and Lauren's friend. Perhaps this would have prevented a great deal of this mess, if not all of it.
*shrug* Rick trash-talked Sam like it was his job. If it was just concern for a friend and not manipulation, then, like I said, he was being paranoid.
Mr. Twist, I enjoy your comic. But I do not think it overly critical to point out that if so many people misjudged Rick, it might have been the construction of the character, and not the over-active imaginations of your readers, that was at fault.
Yeah, now feel sad because Rick was presented like a complete ass and you thought he was one!
Feel free to keep hating Alexander who was presented like a complete ass and was one, because that was totally different. Oh, Mr Twist. Always good to lecture people about people. Though I guess it also help to know exactly what's going to happen and only feed the readers the leading bits, right?
@Guest: Don't get all huffers just because you and a bunch of other people were not just wrong but put all their disgusting thoughts and sexism into their wrong and someone calls them out on it. Take your lumps, I think Mr. Twist is being pretty even about this considering the sad state of the comments as of late.
Twist is not at fault for your perceptions, Guest, stop whining. If you have never met someone and thought they were a total assbag, only to realize later you have completely misjudged them, then you are either very lucky, or very blind.
Don't feel bad for ganging up on Rick, that goes for everyone, after all, that's the way he was written. He's a plot device disguised as a character, his behavior is unexpected because it's based on what needs to happen to make the story flow, and hasn't had any development at all //other than aiding the plot\\ Might be that this will change maybe Rick will stay around, personally, I'd like to see where his character goes from here on out.
Upon reading this... I realize I didn't have any real ire towards Rick.
Over time, I discovered I was mostly hostile towards Lauren. Rick was being a jerk and an asshole. And I like others were not wrong about him being into Lauren. So that satisfies me. Unfortunately not in the way where I'd yell "I KNEW IT!" Or something similar.
Now Rick is proving that he's not some manwhoring homewrecker which is good. But you know, even if he was, I think I would have mostly sent all my fury towards Lauren.
It's that little conundrum I've always wondered about how the perceived other person gets most of the damage when affairs happen. My thought was always why? Yeah, that's some shit action but they're not the one who cheated.
Basically, this whole event was just me growling at how lousy a girlfriend Lauren has been. That still hasn't changed for me. In fact, it's sort of worse.
So...everyone seems to think that these last couple of comics have changed everything
The important fact is simple: Rick had a social duty to acknowledge the existence of his friend's friends, when she is with her friends and he wants to hang out with her. He completely and utterly failed to meet that duty. Therefore, he is not cool. He can make up for that at any time by fulfilling that duty, and returning to being cool, although he owes reparations for the damage he has caused.
while @theachivist was hilarious, the fact remained that Sam didn't say anythng insulting (overtly, as a non-Canadian, not sure how prevelant the "Dildo" joke is...). Christo was a complete buttwipe, but Sam did make an attempt. Does Rick dismiss everyone after one comment as intimated? THAT caused him to ignore Sam post this introduction for so long? unlikely.... feelings for Lauren obviously were central to that, and he was wrong for that, as he admitted. But admit it he did, so maybe his weasel-ness gains some ambiguity here until we see the next step.
LAUREN on the other hand is STILL a (the?) major responsible party for not doing anything about the whole situation when she knew Sam's feeling towards Rick was correct. A smidge of reassurance would go a long way instead of playing the imperious "I can have friends too/don't you trust me/you don't own me" card.
@givemeafuckingbreak: This is considerably old but...
Um, who are you talking to? I never said Lauren lead Sam on. Ever. I just said she's a lousy girlfriend. And in my opinion, she totally is. It's not for any leading on business. She's just a bit callous in my eyes.
I have to disagree with Rick here: being a friend is a good consolation prize. It can be painful to see a person you care that deeply about be happy with another person, but as long as they are happy with the person they love, that's the important thing.