And all of a sudden every single person who hated Rick feels like an utter prick.
To be fair early on I was in that camp, but then I saw what most of the hate came from and some of it is quite hypocritical. I've been friends with very few women I didn't have the hots for at one time or the other. They probably knew, but there was no need to mention it. To judge someone based on that, especially on such a biased level, was a mistake. Nice little life lesson here: consider both sides. I still think the situation was handled poorly on both sides but at least here they are making it right.
But when Sam met Rick for the very first time, he wasn't jealous or paranoid about him and he was actually trying to get to know him and have a conversation, but Rick would just give him one word answers then go right back to Lauren.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're making amends and being civil, but that still bugs me.
@That guy: But still, Rick didn't know Sam. He knew Lauren and was good friends with her. And regardless of gender and the respective relationships your friends have with other people, it's always going to be easier talking to someone you're already friends with. Maybe Rick gets nervous and quiet towards people he's just meeting for the first time, especially when they have a social advantage by already knowing everyone else. I know I do.
So far...so good...
While I'm pleased with how well this is going,I'm also amazed. For someone who was punched in the face(especially by someone he doesn't know well)recently,Rick is being very kind. I'm honestly surprised he agreed to meet Sam. He must be very forgiving.
I think an argument can be made that neither of them had much incentive to get together and talk things out. Christo may have been trolling Rick a little bit, but even Michelle, Lauren's closest friend met him and wasnt exactly hospitable. She noticed Rick had a very obvious attraction and thought Rick would cause a rift between them too. I almost dont like that final line for Rick because he was not a member of the group so who is he to comment on their dynamic when they were only trying to help. From this point it gets way more speculative, but Sam and Rick didnt have much incentive to meet each other, that much is obvious. However what is the one thing they have in common? Lauren. I feel like if she really wanted them to work things out she could have organized for them to meet together, more privately and not on Rick's terms where he just randomly shows up for a change. Instead all we ever saw from Lauren was her having individual meetings with either Sam or Rick where Rick was usually the target of discussion (from what we saw). So I read this strip here. 4-06-running-into-you-22 When I look at this strip and Lauren mentions that she likes having someone outside the group of her "crazy friends" I think she hesitated for Rick to get closer to the group because she liked that he was on the outside. If you look at the PoY group as a whole I would say that Lauren stands out. I think Lauren sort of pictured herself as being outside of the group, and shes kind of the "good girl" or straight edge type. I think she enjoyed knowing that Rick was someone who shared her interests, but not her friends. Rick did see her friends on a couple occasions, but that was mostly Rick popping up himself and not really socializing outside of Lauren. To my knowledge she never organized for Sam and Rick to meet together like they are now for resolution, she just hoped the problem would go away. She did at one point try to hook Rick up with Michelle, but that was with her best friend and I think she would enjoy it socially if they could double date and such. I dont think she hates her friends, but she feels like an outsider and wanted to seek shelter with another outsider. Again, this is allllll conjecture, Im just trying to explore the characters. I guess in my head Im thinking yeah Sam didnt try to meet with Rick, but I dont think Lauren really tried to resolve it either. Now that we are winding down it gives us a lot of chances to sorta see what is going through their heads and how we got to this point. So Im thinkin on it lol.
yeah, yeah, yeah Mr. Twist, you've vindicated Rick and all, I'm sure.
Now can we go back to characters we actually care about?
Whilst I like Sam, I never really cared much for Lauren I have seen no reason to actually like Rick.
And no, LittleBoyBlue, I do not feel like an 'utter prick'. Whilst Rick may not be as bad as the forums have made him out to be, I still find him to be unlikeable character that the comic would benefit from if he just slipped into obscurity when this chapter ended.
@Omega: there's a difference between being apathetic towards the character and outright hating him/her. Some people here were putting their insecurities into the situation and writing like if their life depended on it. And if I've learned anything is that criticizing a character so bluntly for many people will only make the author/artist get defensive in many instances. It's a good thing this was written beforehand and Mr. Twist isn't like many others or you complaining about him and Lauren would only make them appear more often.
"The prospect wasn't appealing"? Tough shit. You want to creep around with someone who is in a relationship, you get to know their partner. You don't have a choice if you don't want to come across as on the make.
@Frankie D.: This perfectly sums up my opinion too. Should Sam have punched him? Hell no!! Should Christo have backed off and stopped getting all up in both Sam and Lauren's grill about the whole thing? Hell yes!! But did Rick fuck up too? Absolutely. Nobody was innocent here, don't pretend like they were. Lauren should have been more communicative, Rick shouldn't have completely ignored Sam's existence, Sam should have ignored Christo's typical bullshit, and Christo should have kept his nose out of other peoples' business.
But lets face it, if characters don't make stupid mistakes, there wouldn't be a story. Just don't pretend like there are innocents in a situation where everyone is guilty.
@Frankie D.: @Indestructible: Being in a relationship doesn't meld people into one inseparable entity that we have to pay some sort of homage to our friends' partners, that thinking is how people excuse and justify jealousy and possessive behaviour, as we've seen endlessly in the comments this past year. We're under no obligation to be chummy with our friends' boyfriends and girlfriends, especially if we think they're shitty people. My wife has friends who think I'm an asshole, and they're entitled to it. Who cares?
@Gibson Twist: But, to be fair, you were wrong when you said all "jealousy and possessive behaviour" was wrong, when in fact it was more likely to be "concern over a creep, when the other partner seemed unable to see the chance of danger"
@Frankie D.: That's not what you were talking about at all. You were criticizing someone not wanting to make an effort to befriend a friend's partner. But even in your new statement, concern over your suspicions of that person's motives has a limit, and that limit is voicing those concerns. If you can find me an instance where Sam or anyone else voiced concern that Lauren was in some sort of danger from Rick (and wanting romantic involvement doesn't qualify as danger, it's pejorative to suggest it does) I'd love to see it.
@Gibson Twist: The fact that she was apparently oblivious to the fact that rick was after her? If she apparently couldn't see that, how would she be able to see if he was trying get her drunk to take advantage or slip something into her drink?
@Frankie D.: A man being interested in a woman is vastly different than a man trying to rape her. Conflating those two things is not only presumptuous, but supposes men to be predatory by nature and puts the obligation on women to police their own actions because of it. By your logic, women should never befriend a man unless she intends to sleep with him, which is an attitude that leads to more rape than it avoids.
And again, in the context of this story, when did anyone say anything to Lauren warning her that Rick might do that?
But she wasn't blind, she knew he liked her, she said as much when they were talking--and even if she wasn't 100% sure she had an inkling, and that's enough to be aware of it, I just think she was trying to avoid the matter all together.
@Frankie D.: That's an incredibly spurious and self-serving argument which is a clear false equivalence. You may as well say "if she doesn't see his interest in her, how does she know he's not going to make her join a cult?" The two are not linked in any logical way, no matter how much you may want them to be. Romantic interest is not a precursor to rape in any but the most sociopathic minds.
Further, suggesting that what I call jealousy and possessive behaviour is in fact someone showing concern over the possibility of a rape attempt, which is the point you made, is utter hogwash. Jealousy and possessiveness is simply not and will never be a demonstration of concern. If you think that is what is happening in this story, especially, I will ask you one more time to show where such an idea is stated or even implied by anyone.
I feel like if Rick and Lauren were real people I would owe them an apology. I got swept up in a mob mentality and suggested he was a stalker long before I knew what really going on, and I said Lauren was complacent in said possible stalking. I think one of the most interesting things about this plot line was been that the mob mentality started with some of the characters and spread to the readers. I also think this all shows us a thing or ten about making Mt Everest out of some poor mole's home. And as far as the I'm sorry goes, I think I said it before but I'll offer it again to our beloved Storymaster.
@Tarabba: " But she wasn't blind, she knew he liked her"
She only admitted that after the fight. Before then she denied that he was after anything more than friendship. If she'd said she knew earlier, rather than deny it, most of the rest of it would have been sorted out.
@Frankie D.: If you (anyone) think a woman or a man telling a jealous boyfriend or girlfriend that one of their friends is interested in them romantically will make things better instead of worse, you have no idea how jealousy works. Just seriously no idea.
@Frankie D. @Gibson Twist: She admitted that, yes, but she did what she could to tell Rick that she wasn't interested and that she loved Sam (I'm pretty sure she said at one point: I love Sam). She knew, or at least had a feeling that this guy probably has a thing for her.
Anyway, what's really pissing me off is that suddenly people are OK with Rick but they are somehow still pissed at Lauren???