Maybe she deserves to be trusted, but I dont think Rick did lol. Hence the gray area. And not to be a dick but I still dont think Lauren has that much credibility when she broke up with her old boyfriend because she had feelings for Peter a long time ago. Granted that was long distance, and we dont know too much about it, but its kind of a precedent, although I dont think Sam is dick enough to call on it lol. Not saying you can judge someone on something like that forever, but it was her immediate previous relationship.
I think part of the reason from the readers to rick could be put down to the fact thatwe've been reading about these characters for long enough that it is almost as if they are our friends. The reaction is much the same as christo's was in that we feel compelled to protect our friends and therefore have lashed out at someone we don't really know.
Rick's laying it all out, truthfully. I am really liking the "let's just talk this out" situation and hope that this makes Sam think before reacting. Lauren made her choice and she told Rick what it was, Rick respects that choice and still wants to be friends with her. Sam should honor that choice and trust Lauran.
@Skylan2021: Would it help if you look at it this way?
Previously, Lauren broke up a relationship when she developed feelings for someone else.
Lauren has not broken up with Sam
THEREFORE Lauren does not have feelings for anyone else.
Breaking up with someone does not loose you credibility. If anything, you gain it, for being honest with yourself and your feelings within that relationship, rather than living a pretence to avoid a break-up.
@Skylan2021: Wait, so you don't give Lauren credit for doing the right thing and breaking up with her boyfriend when she realized she had feelings for someone else, and realized that a long distance relationship isn't going to work? That seems like a difficult and commendable choice to me. She could have cheated on her then-boyfriend, but instead she did what was right. What can this poor girl do to gain some respect from the readers?
I don't like the feeling of being beaten over the head with the 'right answer'. It'd be okay if we just had the comic, because we can make out from that what we want, but when you posted your rant you gave us what was definitely the 'right answer'. That turns everything after it into preaching and it gets annoying for people, and not just for those who disagreed. We're not children, we don't need the answer spelled out to us. You shouldn't be catering to the people who do at the expense of annoying the people who don't.
@Team Lauren: The only way this reader will like Lauren is if she owns up to her mistakes, like Sam is doing. Sam has gone halfway by acknowledging that he had a poor reaction to Lauren's inability to effectively communicate her stance on Rick's clear interest in her. Lauren now needs to apologize or at least in some productive way explain her own refusal to acknowledge Rick's interest to Sam. This is not about feminism, or the female's "role" in a relationship- I would expect the same thing from Sam if he was getting that kind of attention from another girl, and wasn't communicative with Lauren about what has happening- and you can be damn certain Lauren wouldn't have handled the situation any better. People keep saying this about feminism and shit- it really isn't. This is about basic communication in a relationship.
@Soozbot: No I actually commend her for breaking up with him when she realized it wasnt going to work out rather than cheat on him. Its just reading this story we only know what we can see, not what goes on behind the scenes or time skips so Im looking at this like facts on paper. I think a case could be made that when Lauren told Sam she was getting something from Rick that she wasnt getting from him and/or the group, and Ricks direct admission (not that it wasnt obvious) that he had feelings for her, I could understand why it might be like "Is it only a matter of time before she dumps Sam to get with Rick?" Thats all Im saying. We dont see much of Sam and Laurens actual relationship so I never saw the loving nurturing relationship blah blah Im sure they had. But facts on paper, a case could be made.
Doesn't change the fact that some of his own actions were completely out of line. Just makes it irritating (to us, the audience) that Sam has to just sit there and take it (though Sam himself isn't aware of the worst of Rick's behavior, so from his perspective, he actually deserves this tongue-lashing).
@Lemon: I'm not catering to anyone, least of all the people who are made uncomfortable that the story is going in a way they don't want it to go. I made a statement against what I felt was a disgusting reaction to my work, as have many done before me and many will do after. Many of you are children, and I am unconcerned with your annoyance.
@Skylan2021: That's not exactly all you're saying, though. You say in your first post that Lauren has little credibility because she ended her last relationship, suggesting this is some sort of character flaw, one by which Sam is right to be suspicious that she'll dump him. I'm not sure how one reconciles commending her for doing something for which you think she should be judged for any length of time. You say you're looking at facts on paper, but you're presuming a lot.
@Lemon: You know , I think you just pegged what was bugging me with the last few strips.
Having read all the drama in previous weeks comments, followed by Gibsons official statement on the situation, It has seemed that the strips are now re-hashing the same old arguments that were just discussed.
I understand what the accepted dogma of the Rick/Sam/Lauren situation is but yes it does come across 'preachy' having heard it first in the forums.....next in the official statement....now repeated a third time from Sam and Rick.
@Gibson Twist: I can presume a lot of things from many different angles, thats why we are all here discussing it. As a reader I only know what you tell me. And its not that its a flaw, on her part, but it could be a cause for concern on Sam's part. She can say to trust her but when the cards hit the table and she somehow realizes she has feelings for Rick its "sorry I cant help how I feel". Can she be trusted to not cheat on Sam and maliciously hurt him, yes. But does that have anything to do with her potentially leaving him in the future because she develops feelings for another man who has admittedly been attracted to her (a stranger no less since the only person who knows him is Lauren), no it does not. We can presume any number of things, because we dont know their whole life stories. Thats why there's controversy. We have no idea what could have or ever would potentially sway her heart. Im not against her breaking up with someone if she feels shes in love with someone else. Far be it for me to stand in the way of "true love", but what if she walks away from a relationship that could have been saved if they had only spent a little more time together or put in a little more effort on both parts. Especially since the implication is that they are a couple in the future. But maybe they need time apart to grow up into those people. All Im saying was that those 2 things are different.
Edit: Also I did laugh at Rick's commenting that Christo is somehow out of line when Rick has done very little that wasnt out of line in his short time here. His comments about Sam have been really presumptuous when he never even bothered to get to know him.
I think any semblance of realism just went out the window. Twist, if you insist on making Sam and his pals to be the ones in the wrong, fine. But this is so out of the realm of reality it's not even funny.
Yeah sure of course it was allll innocent, just that nobody decided to mention it until it was way too late and AFTER shit hit the fan.....riiiight
@Skylan2021: I'm not sure what you think is quite the problem here. If you think there is a way people can behave in a relationship to ensure they don't develop feelings for anyone else, aside from a monastic isolation, I have to disagree fundamentally with your entire premise. If you're suggesting a woman is more likely to do this than others if she's done it before, I'm not sure to say how wrong I find that line of thought.
I love this comic, and it gets all the better for me when there are no obvious correct answers in these intense situations..
To the guest above me: that really is how it often goes in life, emotions run high and people don't just say exactly what needs to be said at the right time. Someone feels like they're wrongfully accused of something, often the first response won't be one of rationality, especially when there's love in the equation aswell.
@Gibson Twist: Now arent you being a little presumptuous? I never suggested women or men are more inclined to anything, I was speaking directly about these particular characters of your design. I dont know if its your nature to generalize comments or just assume your readers dont know any better but I feel like youre working some extremes here. I was simply speaking directly to the characters, not making a blanket statement about all relationships. I thought I had explained my thoughts well enough, and I am not here to argue or be accused. Just discuss. Far be it for me to argue with Gibson Twist the professional internet sociologist /sarcasm.
People are forgetting
I think what people are forgetting, when they complain that the strip is now rehashing Gibson's "rant" from a few weeks back, is that the author had this storyline plotted out long before we ever saw page one of it. Gibson always intended this conversation to occur at this point, and the story is playing out the way he, the creator of the comic, wants it to. You can dislike it if you want, you can feel it's unrealistic, you can love it to pieces ... but remember ultimately this is Gibson's story and Gibson's characters -- it is not a "shared world," and we as readers don't get to dictate the story Gibson tells. Would you, halfway through a novel, write the author and tell him/her to change the plot to accommodate your view of the story? And if you did, would you seriously expect the author to respond in any way other than the Gibson has responded?
I'm not pointing fingers, just given folks something else to think about. If I sufficiently dislike the plot or characters of a novel, movie or tv series (or the attitude of a creator of such), I walk away from it. Perhaps some of you who are so vitriolic about this storyline and Gibson's response to people's reactions should consider walking away for a while. Just a humble suggestion.
@Anthony: Too right. Though, given your scenario, said author would not respond at all, as they would likely think the folks writing to him/her were a bunch of nutters.
Nowadays, thanks to the internet, it's much easier for us, readers, to get in touch with authors and in cases like this, I imagine it's really hard, no, I know it's really hard not get involved. That's pretty much why I stopped doing webcomics all together. Since then, print comics, at least for me, are much easier on my brain, less drama involved.
I dont think anybody here has ever asked Gibson to "CHANGE" his plotline.
We all have characters we love, or hate...or love to hate...this is a sign of good storywriting on Gibsons part, and far be it from me to ask him to change anything about this story that has entertained for so long.
Our comments are merely that...comments. Some good, some bad, but each valid viewpoints for the individual that should in no way affect the outcome.
I fully realize that the plotline has been preplotted, but that does not change the impression that I have heard the same arguement/viewpoint expressed in three separate arenas back to back to back.
Its an observation....not a request for change.
Despite the occasional disagreement, I want to read Gibsons story. Not write it.